Juanita Broaddrick Talks with Sean
Wednesday, June 11, 2003
This partial transcript from Hannity & Colmes, June 10, 2003 that has been edited for clarity. It was provided by the Federal Document Clearing House. Click here to order a transcript of the entire show.
SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: And welcome to Hannity & Colmes. Thanks for being with us. I'm Sean Hannity.
In Hillary Clinton's new book and on TV, the former first lady gives insight into her years in the White House, her relationship with her husband and herself.
Which brings us to tonight's show. When details of the book began to be released, one controversial woman from the Clintons' past felt that the entire story regarding Hillary Clinton was not being told. That's one Juanita Broaddrick, whom I had spoken to over the years, got in touch with me. I then extended an invitation to appear on the show.
At first, she was just known as Jane Doe number five, a woman who filed an affidavit in the Paula Jones case, denying that Bill Clinton had made any unwelcome sexual advances to her.
But when it came time to talk to investigators for independent counsel Ken Starr, Juanita Broaddrick claimed that she was raped by Bill Clinton in 1978 when he was then the attorney general of Arkansas. She did not report the alleged incident to the authorities at the time.
Back in 1999, then President Clinton through his attorney said that the allegations were, quote, "absolutely false."
Yesterday I spoke with Juanita Broaddrick. After telling me that she was assaulted by Mr. Clinton, Ms. Broaddrick described what happened next.
HANNITY: You described a scene that he was biting on your lip and then when it was all over and he was leaving said, "You better put some ice on that."
JUANITA BROADDRICK, CLAIMS BILL CLINTON RAPED HER: Yes. And casually put on his sunglasses and walked out the door. And I told my friend who came back and found me that I was sitting there crying and so upset at the time. And I felt like somebody, that the next person would be somebody coming through the door to get rid of the body. That's just about how I absolutely couldn't believe what had happened to me.
HANNITY: You begged him to stop?
HANNITY: You, I guess -- Whenever something like to this comes up where an accusation was made, people will say, "Well, you waited 20 years."
HANNITY: Do you regret waiting? And why did you wait?
BROADDRICK: No, I don't regret waiting because I don't think it would have been received any better at that time than it is now. I don't think it's anything anybody wants to hear that the attorney general of the state of Arkansas did something like this. No one wanted to hear that. And it was my word against his.
HANNITY: You were not a conservative. You were not a Republican -- you were a supporter of his.
BROADDRICK: I was a supporter of his. And that's how this all came about.
HANNITY: You were working on his campaign?
BROADDRICK: Yes, yes.
HANNITY: You wanted him to be governor?
BROADDRICK: Yes. Oh, I thought he was tremendous. I thought he had so much charisma, I thought he would be good for the state. I thought he was what we needed.
HANNITY: Yes. You mentioned that in a situation like that, Juanita, that it's your word against his word. There was no evidence. But you don't regret not going to the authorities at the time? Or if you had it to do over again?
BROADDRICK: In hindsight, if they had the ability back then to do what they do now, I probably -- or if I had been more aware of things that can be done to prove a rape, I probably would have done something.
I think I was still in denial about what had happened. And I felt so responsible. You've got to realize for years, I felt like it was my fault. Because I allowed him to come to my room. I allowed a man to come to my room. And I felt like, "Well, you just got what you were asking for."
BROADDRICK: I mean, it was just a -- it's so difficult to explain. And I did not at any time lose part of this guilt feeling on my own until he approached me in 1991 and called me out of a nursing home meeting. And I had no idea who had called me out. He called me out of a nursing home meeting and I came around the corner and there he stands.
And I really wish now that I had turned around and gone back in the room, but I think my curiosity got the best of me. "Why does this man want to talk to me?"
And he called me over to him. I walked over to him and he said -- he tried to take my hand. Of course, I wouldn't allow that. And he said to me, "You know, I'm so sorry for what happened." He said, "I'm not the man that I used to be. I'm a changed person and how can you ever forgive me?"
HANNITY: How many years was that after the incident?
BROADDRICK: Well, that was in 1991 so I guess that would be around 13.
And you know, I stood there for a minute and my friends were standing behind me, the nurses that I brought to the meeting. I wish they had heard this, though, but they were far enough away that they didn't. And I just told him to go to hell and I walked off.
And then, you know, we got to talking about this later, and we thought -- and one of the nurses said -- you know, these are my good friends, these are two women that I had confided in. They were sisters. And one of them said, "You know, maybe he really is sorry." And I got thinking about that, that maybe this man is truly sorry for what he did. Maybe he has changed. And then three weeks later, he announced he was running for president.
HANNITY: So that was the motivation.
HANNITY: Juanita, don't come public.
HANNITY: One of the things in all my research with you, I have not found an instance where a single detail you have given has been found to be in error. You have, from that interview forward, when you came out the first time, there were five people that you told of the incident within hours or days. Including this woman Norma Kelsey...
HANNITY: ... whom you were sharing the room with...
HANNITY: ... and you told her that morning that you were going to meet the attorney general.
BROADDRICK: But supposedly at the coffee shop.
HANNITY: Supposedly at the coffee shop. Then he called and changed plans?
BROADDRICK: Yes. Said there were too many reporters down there, could we please meet in the room.
HANNITY: OK. And you didn't think twice about it then?
HANNITY: No. He's the attorney general.
BROADDRICK: Yes. I was very flattered that someone like him would even want to talk to me about nursing homes.
HANNITY: She called you at lunch and immediately you told her what had happened.
BROADDRICK: Oh, no. I was supposed to come on down to the meeting. Our meeting started at around 9:30 or 10. And I didn't show up so she left the meeting and came back.
HANNITY: Your lip was swollen?
HANNITY: She's on record as saying it.
HANNITY: Your panty hose was torn. BROADDRICK: Yes.
HANNITY: She's on record saying it at the time. You told her that day what had happened.
BROADDRICK: And we discussed all the way home, you know, what should we do? And we both agreed that I couldn't do anything. I mean, it was just -- what do you do?
HANNITY: You on two occasions denied that there were unwelcomed sexual advances. You said these allegations are untrue, that there's no truth to those rumors.
HANNITY: Why did you originally deny it, considering this was a legal matter?
BROADDRICK: Did you see what happened to Gennifer Flowers? Did you see what was happening to Paula Jones?
HANNITY: You were afraid?
BROADDRICK: Yes. No, not afraid. I just knew what would happen. I felt like I knew what would happen.
HANNITY: They didn't want to hear as much about the rape allegation, Ken Starr. They were investigating obstruction of justice. And you said that they said, "We're here to investigate obstruction of justice."
You said that there was none. You said that you filed a false affidavit of your own doing, that the president never intimidated you, he never threatened you, he never encouraged you to lie and that was the reason Ken Starr didn't go forward with it. In a sense, what you said to Ken Starr helped him.
BROADDRICK: There wasn't anything else I could do. There was none. There was no attempt to keep me quiet.
HANNITY: We'll have more from Juanita Broaddrick in just a minute. We'll also remind you that Bill Clinton, through his lawyers, denied that this had happened. We'll have more of her story coming up on the other side. Straight ahead on HANNITY & COLMES.
PAT HALPIN, GUEST CO-HOST: Welcome back to HANNITY & COLMES. I'm Pat Halpin, filling in for Alan Colmes.
We continue now with Sean's exclusive interview with Juanita Broaddrick.
HANNITY: The issue came up a couple of weeks after this incident, you went to what is now known as the fund raiser.
HANNITY: And a lot of people say, "Well, why would you go to a fund raiser for this man after he did this to you?" And your answer is?
BROADDRICK: I think I was still in denial at the time. I had committed to it. There was only two people -- pardon me, three people at that time who knew what had happened. And my husband at the time was not one of them. And he was very committed to it.
I was one of the campaign workers in Crawford County, the campaign manager of this area. And I thought, "Can I just go up there, make a quick appearance," and I had already told the lady -- it was at a person's home, I'd already told them, "You know, I have a bad headache and I'm going to be leaving early. But here are the things that I brought" and all of this.
HANNITY: This is where you met Hillary Clinton.
HANNITY: At this. Was this the first time you met her?
HANNITY: First time.
BROADDRICK: And only.
HANNITY: And only time. You said at the time that she came directly to you as she hit the door. You were quoted in the Drudge Report saying, "I only had a few minutes. I wanted to make an appearance." Tell us about that meeting.
BROADDRICK: They came in, but just before they did, the driver, who was a -- who had gone to the airport and picked them up came over to me and said that -- he was a local pharmacist in this area and I think he's relocated now in Tefavor (ph), but he told me, he said the whole topic of conversation from the airport was you and are you going to be there? And...
HANNITY: This is a friend of yours, the driver?
HANNITY: And he told you that?
BROADDRICK: He came over to me and said that, and I really didn't know what to think about that. The minute they came in the door, I'm standing over in the living room area and I see them come through the kitchen area, and I see her going up to someone and they're pointing at me.
And I see him go the opposite direction. I assumed when they came in if I was still there that he might come up and say something, but she made her way just as quick as she could to me.
HANNITY: And what happened?
BROADDRICK: Well, I almost got nauseous when she came over to me. And she came over to me, took a hold of my hand and said, "I've heard so much about you. And I've been dying to meet you" or been wanting to meet you, I can't -- it's just paraphrasing right now.
And she said, "I just want you to know how much Bill and I appreciate what you do for him."
And I said, "Well, thank you." And I started to turn and walk away. This woman -- this little soft spoken -- pardon me for the phrase -- dowdy woman, that seemed very unassertive, took ahold of my hand and squeezed it.
And said, "Do you understand everything that you do?"
I could have passed out at that moment. And I got my hand from hers and I left.
HANNITY: How hard was she -- she was really squeezing?
BROADDRICK: Yes. She was just holding onto my hand. She didn't -- because I had started to turn away from her. And she held onto my hand and she said, "Do you understand everything that you do?" I mean, cold chills went up my spine. That's the first time I became afraid of that woman.
HANNITY: You interpret that to mean she knew about the incident?
BROADDRICK: I certainly do. "And thank you for keeping quiet."
HANNITY: How would she have known?
BROADDRICK: I have no idea. I think that she's -- and I've said this before. I'm not for sure if she knew that it was nonconsensual. I'm wondering if she thought it was a forced thing or if she thought it was consensual. And I really don't know. At that moment, I don't know her thoughts. And to this day, I don't. I mean, why would he tell...
HANNITY: Well, yes.
BROADDRICK: ... tell her what he did. But I know that she knew that there had been something going on between us, something of a sexual nature. I just felt that.
HANNITY: That she knew something?
HANNITY: Is there any chance he had said Juanita had been a big supporter of ours and she was really just thanking you for that?
BROADDRICK: Oh, no, no. No, it wasn't that.
HALPIN: And we'll be back with more of Sean's one-on-one interview with Juanita Broaddrick.
And later, why did Hillary Clinton's book deal with Monica Lewinsky but not Juanita Broaddrick? We'll debate it when HANNITY & COLMES continues. Stay with us.
HANNITY: As we continue on HANNITY & COLMES, up next we'll debate some of what Ms. Broaddrick had to say tonight with a couple of Pat's Democratic friends.
But first, the final part of my exclusive interview with Juanita Broaddrick.
HANNITY: There's something motivating you. There's something you want to say. Why did you want to come out now?
BROADDRICK: I think it's because they have turned a deaf ear, you know, to my situation. I have really wrestled with this in my own mind what I should do. And it's so upsetting to see Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton do the things that they do now and have the past that they have on this situation.
HANNITY: You never wrote a book, you never sold your story, you've had a lot of offers?
BROADDRICK: I've had a couple of offers is all.
HANNITY: But you never did -- we -- Hillary, her book comes out, as you know it's out this week.
HANNITY: A million copies are in print, a pretty large first printing. We read $8 million she got for the deal.
One of the things she says in this book is that Bill had lied to her up until two days before she gave her grand jury testimony. He gave the grand jury testimony.
And she said he came to her that morning, said, admitted the Monica Lewinsky thing. Let me read you what she says.
"I could hardly breathe. I was gulping for air. I started crying and yelling. 'What do you mean? What are you saying? Why did you lie to me?'"
She said she didn't have a clue. She believed him up to that point.
BROADDRICK: That is unbelievable. It's completely unbelievable. Because I think she's always known. At least for the 25 years that I've been familiar with them, I think she's always known. I think she's always covered up for him. And like I've said before, I can't imagine someone covering up what a man and her husband has done, just for the sake of power.
HANNITY: You think that's what it's about?
BROADDRICK: Yes. I think it's power and I think it's money.
HANNITY: Well, it is interesting, because Gennifer Flowers in 1992. I mean, if she believes he had never lied to her before. Gennifer Flowers in '92 said, "I was Bill's lover for 12 years."
Paula Jones came out in May of '94, she told her story about him exposing himself to her.
Kathleen Willey in '98 claimed, made the allegation, he groped, he grabbed, he fondled, he kissed her. And so on and so forth.
So even though she had been through all these things, he was, quote "ministering" to an intern, that is not a believable story to you?
BROADDRICK: No. Not at all. I think she's been aware. I think it has upset her tremendously that he can't keep control of himself, but I think it's something that she accepted long before he even decided to run for the president.
HANNITY: They have a one million run print.
HANNITY: She's going to make a lot of money on this book. She already made a lot of money on this book.
BROADDRICK: Yes. HANNITY: That makes you angry?
BROADDRICK: Yes, it makes me angry, for the people to invest in a continuation of her lies.
HANNITY: Is it more that you're angry that you believe she's lying and that people don't see it?
BROADDRICK: Yes. It's so difficult to try to comprehend that people either cannot or will not see through her.
HANNITY: Are you worried she will be president one day?
BROADDRICK: You know, I haven't been up until this time, but that thought now is coming across my mind more and more and that is scary.
HANNITY: It's one of the reasons you want to speak out?
HANNITY: I want to go back for a minute, without going into all the details. Lisa Myers, you did a great interview with her, I though, and you told your story. Interestingly, the American people believed you by a large margin when you told that story. The one time you told it publicly.
Did that make you feel good, that the American people believed you? Was that important to you?
BROADDRICK: That was important to me, but at the time that I told the story, it was so upsetting to me. You know, I didn't want to come forward. And yes, that was good that when I heard the polls and everything, and I received so much support in the mail and my community has been so supportive. My family is so supportive. But it was still very traumatic.
HANNITY: Yes, to bring it up again?
HANNITY: You were a supporter of his. You were a Democrat.
HANNITY: All this has happened. Does it change your political outlook on life?
BROADDRICK: Yes. Definitely.
HANNITY: And you're more conservative?
BROADDRICK: I'm more conservative now. And it's really hard not to be. With what I've been through with the Democrats.
HANNITY: You talked about how you're afraid to be destroyed like the other women. You said you felt sorry for these women and you said it yourself that you didn't feel you were as brave as they were.
BROADDRICK: No, I didn't at the time. You know, I felt like even though many of them had been forced out, too, I'm not really for sure about the Paula Jones issue. Or Dolly Todd Browning or Gennifer.
But I think they were brave to come out. I just wasn't ready to do that. My life was so comfortable. I had such a happy, good life.
HANNITY: Has it changed since you've spoken publicly?
BROADDRICK: Somewhat. It's back to normalcy now. But for a couple of years, it was very difficult to go to Wal-Mart without my cap and my sunglasses, wondering what tabloid I would be on the front of.
HANNITY: And we say we did offer President Clinton, Senator Clinton and their respective camps time to appear and respond tonight to these allegations. Neither party responded to our repeated offers.
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